06-29-2006 3:11 PM Swiftwind

Oh Solo Me-O!

Ahh! I love vacation! Running though Mos Eisley today I got a couple blind guild invites from some new players...have you ever seen the WoW Machinima “Illegal Danish”... Little Gnome guy running around asking everyone “You wana join my guild?” Every time I get one of these invites I can hear that squeaky little voice in my head... I think I've gotten rather “guild-phobic” ... that or I need more medication.

As a I rule I've played solo... give me good stack of weapons and a root beer and I'm good! Honestly, I don't have anything against guilds, and I've hear of some great one that are supportive and do some great fun things... Problem is I've never been in one of then. In the Three MMO's that I've seriously played over the last four years I've yet to be in one guild that wasn't primarily about supporting high level players. That really drives me nuts... I never, either for a quest or when got myself stuck in some sticky situation, ever had one request for help answered... but damed if I wouldn't catch hell for not forking over my “tribute” to the guild bank or for not helping elder “so-and-so” to level up his alt after several weeks of them either ignoring me, or being “too busy” to help me out. *sigh* yoda's voice: relax... fear, anger these are the path toward the darkside.

With some guilds it's all about ego I think... We all need a little of it, but ego is like the dark side of the force... it's easier more seductive. It gets to be all about the “elder” or “in” group... they solicit new members to keep themselves alive but don't welcome them into the fold. I understand you can't give the keys to the kingdom to the new guy until he's earned them, but there's got to be some encouragement, support and inclusion... I've been in guilds that no matter how long your a member, or how much you contribute, you're always going to be the “outsider” or considered a “peasant.”   These guilds tend to be top heavy and when the “major” members leave they either disband the guild, even if there are 150 other members, or leave it to implode... I've been in more then one of these.

My last serious guild imploded after the NGE:

  • November 13, 2005 – Guild Alive,well, very active. Got yelled at for not chatting with guild while online.
  • November 14, 2005 – Guild Message: “Nobody panic yet, the elders are looking into the situation”,
  • November 15, 2005 – Wave of emails notifications that most elders members have left the guild
  • November 16, 2005 – Guild chat is dead, no responses to ingame mail.

The guild was entirely ego driven and when the top guys left all they're minions followed, leaving 70+ “new members” stranded and confused. What happened? Was this a glitch? What about us? I waited weeks to see if it picked up again... but guild mail went unanswered, and chat channel stayed quiet, and just as quietly I left.

I generally like newbies... as long as they act like they're older then 8, are relatively polite, and not incessantly needy or “Trash Talking Elmo's”, but Newbie guilds are something else. I feel bad about not excepting invites, but most of the newbie guilds I've joined to “help them out” usually end up folding within a week or two because of a lack of planning, no focus, short attention spans, or ego spats. Sometimes they start out with really noble intentions but die soon after birth or get quickly pulled down into the gutter.

Someday, once I max out a character and if I find like minded players, I'd love to form a “Schooling” guild... in EQOA, I often joke about starting a “Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry” guild for new magic players... take them up through a a quarter to a half of the levels, show then the ropes. Invite them to stay on as “teachers.” Hold “classes”, have “Field trips”, hand out “rewards”

I guess what I'm missing is the sense of community that I always hear about in MMO's. Blind Guild invites are like junk mail, most of what comes to you or the “current residence” is just crap. Occasionally something legit comes in among them, but because my internal “spam filtering” cuts them out, I miss them. Maybe I should “Shop” for a guild, rather then hope a good one stumbles upon me as I'm exiting a starport.

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# re: Oh Solo Me-O!

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:55 PM by Alirc

The kind of guild I think you want is not going to spam you at a starport.  Lurk on the server forum and see who is contributing to the community.  Start with them.  Who knows where it will lead.  :)

# re: Oh Solo Me-O!

Friday, June 30, 2006 7:42 AM by Almagill

LOL at the WoW comment.  I'd been in maybe two SWG guilds before going to try WoW and, having had to go ask to join them, was quite amused at being spammed with guild requests.

In the end a couple of RL friends and I formed our own guild as that seemed to stop the 'join meh' spam, but after people saw us out just having fun, not taking it too seriously, getting decent loot etc, we started geting spammed with 'can I join'.

Currently I'm in two guilds in SWG. One is a profession based guild on Test Centre that was set up to help rangers fom all galaxies to head to TC to test out the 'upcoming ranger Revamp'.  As you can imagine, that pretty much died on it's a**e on the 15th November.  Guild is still there, but it's now more a 'memorial' to rangerdom.

The other guild is, like the WoW one I formed, largely a chatroom for some RL mates. We don't recruit, we don't war. It's just a social function.

When I've been in 'proper' guilds in SWG though, yeah, they've pretty much been monuments to the founders ego. It was fun to be in a PvP guild for a while, as a tailor, and just watch the internal politics. Especially when one of the alpha pack members would lose face and strop off to form their own guild....   y'know, there's a really good social anthropology paper waiting to be written there...

# re: Oh Solo Me-O!

Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:51 PM by Korrum

I have only ever been in one guild on SWG, it is a guild started by a RL friend.  He doesn't play anylonger, and in the old days (Pre-NGE), the guild was hustlin' and bustlin', we had a lot of active members, events every week, etc.

Now, it's pretty sad.  There are only about 4 active members, Me, my girlfriend, and two others.

I am a pretty loyal guildie.  Even when I played EQ, I stayed in one guild until it was completely disbanded.